and it was in 2004, i remember i was in columbus, ohio in 2004. and, you know, i guess i'd have to predict that the president will win it for the very reasons amy was saying. gwen: ooh, ooh. that's scary. you made a prediction. i've got it on tape. i can roll it back. i wonder if it plays into that demographic divide. is it the example of what we're talking about? >> well, it's actually different -- >> why? >> well, the white vote falls differently in the state of ohio than it does in other places. blue collar whites -- >> the auto bailout. >> the auto bailout, the fact that mitt romney opposed to auto bailout and also his characteristics as a very wealthy financial executive who has been pounded by democratic adds in a concentrated way, that sort of changed the chemistry of that state which the presidents have never won the presidency without winning. ohio will be the decisive state. if president obama wins florida, it moves the -- >> i could see florida being -- >> what i heard democrats talk about if they can hold ohio, hold wisconsin, paul rya